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20-05-2020  (6206 lectures) Categoria: Catalauni

Voltaire, Tacitus and the Catalauni

In my opinion of La vaca cega", for the moment, we should  leave aside if the catalauni existed before the Romans (although it can be glimpsed)

It's obvious that the historians, placing the battle of the Catalaunic Fields in Ch√Ęlons-en-Champagne, have tried to separate them from those Fields in Aquitania, thus situating them away from Catalonia, and as a consequence tried to cover the origin of Occitan-Catalan language.

I will always defend that there were some people all over the wide Catalauni Lands (Belgica and Aquitania) with a common language (proto-romanç) tant did not come from Latin, although with some influence from this language, as has existed between the English-German, the problem is that being a language only spoken, we have no documents until the S.VI-VIII, (leaving Fomenko apart). add to our own entry from 2013 "Tacitus, Voltaire and Catalonia", the entry from the same blog: " the 'catalauni' are the Catalans, according to Fabien Régnier and Jean-Pierre Drouin "on April 27, 2020.

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Voltaire refers the catalauni citation made by Tacitus from 100 AD directly, pointing without hesitation to the actual Catalan Nation (Caius Cornelius Tacitus 56-118 aC.). What will Mr. Baydal say? That Jean Marie Arouet had no vision of history, negating what him and Tacitus (as a true "Duo Din√°mico") said that Catalauni means Catalan?

1.- C'est des Catalans que Tacite a dit [en exag√©rant]: ¬ę Ferox gens nullam esse vitam sine armis putat; ce peuple f√©roce croit que ne pas combattre c'est ne pas vivre. ¬Ľ

 


Studies on Early Hungarian and Pontic History

By C.A. Macartney, László Péter

1.- Leaving apart the fact that Julius Caesar never cited the Catalauni, this book talks about the path followed by the huns towards the Catalauni Fields destroying Lugdunum (Lyon) descending beside the Rodanum going to Cathaloniam, therefore they are talking about some Catalaunian Fields close to the Rodanum far away from Chalons en Champagne in the Gallia Belgica.

 

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Regnier French historians Fabien and Jean-Pierre Drouin, in his book  The Fondateur peuples à l'origine de Gaul (2012), we certify that we analyzed in several articles on this site: the people of  catalauni corresponds to the current people of the Catalans and are the founders of today's Catalonia, a fact that extends the history of the Catalans a thousand years or more.

They tell us very clearly at various points in their study. For Fabien Régnier and Jean-Pierre Drouin, Gallic peoples such as the  Catalauni , who had settled in the Marne River area, tended to territorial stability and shunned mass migration if not for reasons of force majeure. That is, they were not essentially nomadic peoples.

However, according to the authors, the arrival in their territories of the Belgian Welsh people, coming from the Danube area, altered the balance of the Marne area and caused the mobility of this and other Gallic peoples. The  Catalans had to expand north and south, to establish new colonies. And it is in this context that the Catalan  Catalans or  Catalans would have arrived in the peninsular lands and would have founded the present Catalonia.

Book cover by Fabien Régnier and Jean-Pierre

Drouin

Analyzing what the authors say in their own words we have the following:

 

“[These peoples, in reference to the Gauls] were in no way nomadic and only migrated en masse when they were sometimes forced there by circumstances beyond their control. "The best known example is the Helvetii (58 BC), but we can also cite the 'catalauni'."

 

And they specify on the  catalauni that were located in the zone of the Marne river before the Belgians arrived and who were put under the  remi , of which they are released in the III century;

 

"The question remains of the 'catalauni', located on the south-eastern periphery of the territory of the 'remi', in the area of ‚Äč‚Äčthe river Marne. Like the 'remi' and the senons, their origin seems to come from long before the arrival of the Belgians and are likely to have initially constituted a ‚Äėpagus‚Äô linked to the ‚Äėremi‚Äô. 'arrival of the Belgians. "

 

We do not know from what source the authors have extracted that the  Catalans were freed from the  remi in the third century BC but, if confirmed, this would be the oldest testimony of the Catalan people.

 

And the authors add:

 

"The result, from what we have just seen over the Marne area, is that the 'remi' constitute a people who cannot be described as anything other than 'founder' over an area of ‚Äč‚Äčconsiderable extent, since it includes the territories later known as the 'remi', the senons, the 'tricasses' and the 'catalauni' [...] "

 

From the arrival of the Belgians, therefore, the two experts are clear that the¬† catalauni are forced to explore new lands and open colonies in the north and south of their territory, which was in present-day Champagne, arriving in these surveys from the south to the Iberian Peninsula and founding Catalonia. To the north they settled in Britain, in the area of ‚Äč‚Äčthe River Thames. giving birth to the catovellauni , British branch of the catalauni :

 

"It is also significant that part of this same village of the 'catalauni' will settle on the island of Brittany to give birth to the 'catuvellauni', which will be located north of the river Thames (and from this point of view, it is necessary to emphasize that this town comes from the borders of the Marne, although they are not Belgians, but they were united to the migration of these through the Channel or they followed the Belgians, such as they had done with the 'remi', who were left behind) and another group of 'catalauni' who would settle in northeastern Spain, also accompanying another Belgian people: the 'volques'. "

 

Thus, for Fabien Régnier and Jean-Pierre Drouin, and for many other scholars of the subject, there is no doubt that the catalauni are also the  catuvellauni or catovellauni , and define this town as follows:

"Small Celtic tribe of southern Gaul in Belgium who occupied the southeastern part of the Marne department and the northern part of the Alt-Marne. The etymology would be ‚ÄúCatu-Vellauni‚ÄĚ (from the Gaul ‚Äúcatu‚ÄĚ, combat, and ‚Äú‚Äú vellauni ‚ÄĚ, the best) and therefore,‚Äú the best in combat. ‚ÄĚThis tribe seems to have been subjected to senons and oars. "

Regarding the¬† catovellauni or catalauni established in Great Britain, they expand and specify the information and place us in the area of ‚Äč‚Äčthe current Wheathampstead:

"It seems that a branch of this people of the 'Catuvellauni' is located in Great Britain, in one of its cities called Verolamium (Wheathampstead). "

Area of ‚Äč‚Äčestablishment of the 'catuvelauni' or 'catalauni' in Britain.

And they inform us, in addition, that the  catalauni of the Iberian Peninsula or  Catalans , are also known in Latin as  catalauni :

"This same tribe also settled in Catalonia (Spain, the Catalauni) ..."

To end by revealing- We know that the  Catalauni also spread to the Alps, where they became known as caturiges :

"as well as in the Alps (caturiges)".

The book explains that by the specialist Henri Arbois de Jubainville, and according to what was published in his work  Les premiers inhabitants de l'Europe (Paris, 1889), and following the thesis of the Catalan historian Pere Bosch i Gimpera , explained in his book The Celtic mouvements (1950-1955), the village of  catalauni come from the right bank of the Rhine, the German side:

"[The people of catalauni ]  would probably have reached the right bank of the Rhine should settled in the Seine basin, around 300 BC, sending, a few centuries later, a colony to Britain, according to the thesis of Bosch and Gimpera. "

But Fabien Régnier and Jean-Pierre Drouin do not agree with this point of view of Bosch and Gimpera:

"Our approach to the question leads us to different conclusions, in light of the discoveries made over several decades and which these historians did not have in their time. Indeed, nothing allows us to assume the establishment of the 'catalauni' in the Champagne at the same time as the establishment of the Belgian peoples (early third century BC), and less so when everything seems to indicate otherwise, that is, that its expansion was as a result of the arrival of the latter. "

For the authors, the subject of the  Catalauni covers a more general problem: what was the fate of the Celtic peoples who settled north of the Seine, before the arrival of the Belgians? In any event, are clearly part of  catalaunithey had to emigrate to the north and the south, due to the loss of good part of their territory into the hands of the Belgians, fact that caused the foundation of new colonies:

"In fact, if everyone agrees to recognize that there was indeed a Celtic settlement before this new wave coming from beyond the Rhine, no one seems to wonder what might have been of these populations. Three scenarios are possible: or they were expelled completely for the benefit of the newcomers, which is unlikely and in any case does not agree with the usual behavior of the Celtic populations, with very few exceptions, or else they were purely and simply absorbed, disappearing by complete in the mass of the Belgians, which is possible, but again exceptional in the Celtic case, or, finally, they had to abandon most (and the best) of their former territories to the newcomers after some battles. "

It is at this point that we can understand, according to experts, one of these migrations forced by the Belgians led the founding of the colony  catalauni South, which currently constitutes our Catalonia, the name of which the French historians are unclear derived from  catalauni :

"At the time when the establishment of the Belgians north of the Seine caused many disturbances in the previously settled Celtic populations, a branch of the 'catalauni', from the south of Champagne, perhaps in line with migration along the same axis The presence of the 'volciani' neighbors confirms the fact that this movement had extensions in the south of the Pyrenees, which suggests that the name Catalonia could have a common origin. with that of the people of the 'catalauni' "

(F. Régnier,  A Celtic establishment in Catalonia , Scientific Congress of Ferrol, Spain, 1998).

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of the blog 'La historia usurpada'

https://historiausurpada.blogspot.com/2020/04/els-catalauni-son-els-catalans-segons.html

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